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Reply #270 posted 06/04/20 10:35pm

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And in a move that really does horrify me - after years and years of saying we will not have chlorinated chicken over here, the government does another U-turn. We have good welfare standards here and in Europe, we don't need this shit just to do a trade deal.


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Reply #271 posted 06/04/20 10:36pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

maplenpg said:

And....today's exclusive in the Torygraph - Boris Johnson is going to take back control of the coronavirus crisis https://www.telegraph.co....us-crisis/ .

Which is bizarre to me, because does this mean he hasn't been in control? And if not then who has (Dom or Hancock is my guess, but if Hancock then why wasn't this official)?

And why are we suddenly getting virus commitees, when apparently we're following the science which SAGE provided? And why wasn't a virus commitee established earlier if we needed one?

I think politics is on the home school agenda when PMQs takes place today.


As said previously, my guess is that Boris isn't doing well healthwise (plus the new baby) and this is being reflected in how things are being run at the moment: intermittently.

I have to be honest and say I thought he was going to use his contact with Alok Sharma to have even more time off. I'm glad the test was negative (even if the test only has a 70% success rate).

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Reply #272 posted 06/05/20 10:44pm

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The truest thing that I've read yet (from Richard Murray CEO The King's Fund), in response to the "tragic scale of avoidable deaths among people the government pledged to protect" - those who died in care homes:


Social care must never again be treated as an afterthought to the NHS but as an equal partner in an interdependent system.

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Reply #273 posted 06/08/20 7:37am

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June 22nd being targeted for pubs and restaurants reopening. Yet you still can't hug a relative at a funeral. Goodness knows how this government think people are going to not hug each other when they're full of alcohol - it's practically tradition! https://www.ft.com/conten...cfd84ed638

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Reply #274 posted 06/11/20 5:46pm

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maplenpg said:

And in a move that really does horrify me - after years and years of saying we will not have chlorinated chicken over here, the government does another U-turn. We have good welfare standards here and in Europe, we don't need this shit just to do a trade deal.



Hi! I've been off the org for a couple of months because everyone seemed to be losing their collective heads with rage.

Ref above. We are already in Europe, and will be for probably the next 180 million years. lol


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Reply #275 posted 06/12/20 10:43pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

maplenpg said:

And in a move that really does horrify me - after years and years of saying we will not have chlorinated chicken over here, the government does another U-turn. We have good welfare standards here and in Europe, we don't need this shit just to do a trade deal.



Hi! I've been off the org for a couple of months because everyone seemed to be losing their collective heads with rage.

Ref above. We are already in Europe, and will be for probably the next 180 million years. lol


lol I was talking collectively about animal welfare. A US trade deal would be great for people in terms of keeping meat prices down, but horrific in terms of animal welfare. For example, US milk is legally allowed to have twice as much pus in it than European milk. Mass farming for cheap product. A statement has been put out saying welfare standards won't change, but everything at the minute seems to point to the contrary. Time will tell I guess.

I've quite enjoyed P&R through lockdown, though the UK thread has got a bit lonely of late. No rage in here biggrin

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Reply #276 posted 06/13/20 7:32am

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maplenpg said:



SquirrelMeat said:




maplenpg said:


And in a move that really does horrify me - after years and years of saying we will not have chlorinated chicken over here, the government does another U-turn. We have good welfare standards here and in Europe, we don't need this shit just to do a trade deal.





Hi! I've been off the org for a couple of months because everyone seemed to be losing their collective heads with rage.

Ref above. We are already in Europe, and will be for probably the next 180 million years. lol




lol I was talking collectively about animal welfare. A US trade deal would be great for people in terms of keeping meat prices down, but horrific in terms of animal welfare. For example, US milk is legally allowed to have twice as much pus in it than European milk. Mass farming for cheap product. A statement has been put out saying welfare standards won't change, but everything at the minute seems to point to the contrary. Time will tell I guess.

I've quite enjoyed P&R through lockdown, though the UK thread has got a bit lonely of late. No rage in here biggrin


There’s nothing to say, really. It all just keeps getting worse. England has the highest death rate per million in the world, BoJo last week was found to be the least popular leader in the world. But there’s no point mentioning any of it here, really. Anybody who’s interested can see it all for themselves.
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Reply #277 posted 06/13/20 9:25am

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Lianachan said:

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lol I was talking collectively about animal welfare. A US trade deal would be great for people in terms of keeping meat prices down, but horrific in terms of animal welfare. For example, US milk is legally allowed to have twice as much pus in it than European milk. Mass farming for cheap product. A statement has been put out saying welfare standards won't change, but everything at the minute seems to point to the contrary. Time will tell I guess.

I've quite enjoyed P&R through lockdown, though the UK thread has got a bit lonely of late. No rage in here biggrin

There’s nothing to say, really. It all just keeps getting worse. England has the highest death rate per million in the world, BoJo last week was found to be the least popular leader in the world. But there’s no point mentioning any of it here, really. Anybody who’s interested can see it all for themselves.

You are absolutely right sad

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Reply #278 posted 06/13/20 9:33am

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maplenpg said:



Lianachan said:


maplenpg said:


lol I was talking collectively about animal welfare. A US trade deal would be great for people in terms of keeping meat prices down, but horrific in terms of animal welfare. For example, US milk is legally allowed to have twice as much pus in it than European milk. Mass farming for cheap product. A statement has been put out saying welfare standards won't change, but everything at the minute seems to point to the contrary. Time will tell I guess.

I've quite enjoyed P&R through lockdown, though the UK thread has got a bit lonely of late. No rage in here biggrin



There’s nothing to say, really. It all just keeps getting worse. England has the highest death rate per million in the world, BoJo last week was found to be the least popular leader in the world. But there’s no point mentioning any of it here, really. Anybody who’s interested can see it all for themselves.

You are absolutely right sad

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Sneaking in to a catastrophic no-deal Brexit while folk aren’t paying attention, too!
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Reply #279 posted 06/13/20 9:35am

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Lianachan said:

maplenpg said:

You are absolutely right sad

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Sneaking in to a catastrophic no-deal Brexit while folk aren’t paying attention, too!

No sure sneaking is the right verb - I think more like stomping since they're wearing massive fucking clown shoes. Anyone would think he won the election by saying he had an 'oven-ready' deal or something...

EDIT to add: I'm fairly sure I read that NS and MD refused to take part in a conference call re Brexit as their views on extending the deadline were not taken into account. BJ and his mates have got it all under control - not.

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Reply #280 posted 06/13/20 10:37am

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Lianachan said:

Sneaking in to a catastrophic no-deal Brexit while folk aren’t paying attention, too!


No sure sneaking is the right verb - I think more like stomping since they're wearing massive fucking clown shoes. Anyone would think he won the election by saying he had an 'oven-ready' deal or something...

EDIT to add: I'm fairly sure I read that NS and MD refused to take part in a conference call re Brexit as their views on extending the deadline were not taken into account. BJ and his mates have got it all under control - not.

LOL falloff

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Reply #281 posted 06/15/20 1:25pm

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This is great news (not moving on)

https://www.theguardian.c...1592158947

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Reply #282 posted 06/20/20 5:28am

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BoJo’s Deceitful Clown Circus marches on!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/new...ssion=true
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Reply #283 posted 06/20/20 6:28am

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Lianachan said:

BoJo’s Deceitful Clown Circus marches on! https://www.bbc.co.uk/new...ssion=true

Lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.

Did you see this one too? https://www.theguardian.c...id-19-peak

I have never, ever been as disgusted as a government in my life as I am at the moment. I've written to my MP more times in the past few months than ever before. At least NS seems to be listening to the scientists and going for suppression. We're just headed for one fucking great big car crash sad.

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Reply #284 posted 06/25/20 1:01pm

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maplenpg said:

Lianachan said:

BoJo’s Deceitful Clown Circus marches on! https://www.bbc.co.uk/new...ssion=true

Lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.

Did you see this one too? https://www.theguardian.c...id-19-peak

I have never, ever been as disgusted as a government in my life as I am at the moment. I've written to my MP more times in the past few months than ever before. At least NS seems to be listening to the scientists and going for suppression. We're just headed for one fucking great big car crash sad.

The EU's handling of the virus is putting the UK (and the US) to shame. neutral

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Reply #285 posted 06/26/20 10:34pm

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Lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.

Did you see this one too? https://www.theguardian.c...id-19-peak

I have never, ever been as disgusted as a government in my life as I am at the moment. I've written to my MP more times in the past few months than ever before. At least NS seems to be listening to the scientists and going for suppression. We're just headed for one fucking great big car crash sad.

The EU's handling of the virus is putting the UK (and the US) to shame. neutral

Yup - for a while now we've had more deaths per day than the rest of the EU put together. Scotland, Wales and Ireland are largely headed for suppression, so it's mainly just England too. If we consider the size of England to other countries, 1000 new cases a day is a disaster, yet they are opening everything back up and distancing is largely forgotten. Except on public transport, masks have never really been promoted here either, although a few more seem to be wearing them now.

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Reply #286 posted 07/05/20 2:30am

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Excellent analysis by Fintan O’Toole.

https://www.newstatesman....is-johnson
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Reply #287 posted 07/06/20 12:04am

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Lianachan said:

Excellent analysis by Fintan O’Toole. https://www.newstatesman....is-johnson

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't thought of it this way before, but it's obvious really:


What is striking here is that Brexit is not a distraction from the emerging pandemic. It is the other way around: Johnson was worried that the coronavirus might take attention away from the thrilling prospect of a liberated Britain, shrugging off its boring, bespectacled Euro-normality, reassuming its native-born superpowers and saving the world.

And it absolutely summed up what I say all along about Johnson: that he lies his way through everything with the false dream that a bit of optimism and hope will make everything all right:


What matters is not objective truth. It is the power of positive ­thinking. [...] Everything comes down to belief. The X Factor in this mentality is not ability – as in the TV talent contest – it is the undaunted determination to follow the dream.

Apply this to coronavirus and the key thing was not to be afraid of it.

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Reply #288 posted 07/06/20 12:17am

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And before this thread locks, lets go back to the very start. Specifically Lianachan's response #13:

"We do know what will happen. Thousands more will die. More avoidable deaths. There are numerous examples of a second wave of the virus in many countries who eased lockdown too soon. Plus many historical examples of course, the second wave of the Spanish Flu was exponentially worse than the first wave. Open up then see what happens is, quite literally, a murderous approach."


Every single thing I've read from the scientists says the same thing. That if we don't suppress this by the start of flu season, then we are in very real trouble. And yet nothing England is doing is striving for supression, we've still got 3000 cases per week, and that was before the pubs opened. Scotland is going for supression, Wales is, Ireland is, but not England. And I can't get my head around that. That come winter the government will allow goodness knows how many more to die, or have long-term effects from the virus, loads of businesses will be bankrupt, schools could well close again etc... etc... and all because we ranked an easy lockdown and reopening to put money in the coffers above life. And don't get me started on how they are trying to blame the people rather than their policies and unhelpful and confusing rhetoric for this mess.

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Reply #289 posted 07/06/20 1:26am

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maplenpg said:

And before this thread locks, lets go back to the very start. Specifically Lianachan's response #13:

"We do know what will happen. Thousands more will die. More avoidable deaths. There are numerous examples of a second wave of the virus in many countries who eased lockdown too soon. Plus many historical examples of course, the second wave of the Spanish Flu was exponentially worse than the first wave. Open up then see what happens is, quite literally, a murderous approach."


Every single thing I've read from the scientists says the same thing. That if we don't suppress this by the start of flu season, then we are in very real trouble. And yet nothing England is doing is striving for supression, we've still got 3000 cases per week, and that was before the pubs opened. Scotland is going for supression, Wales is, Ireland is, but not England. And I can't get my head around that. That come winter the government will allow goodness knows how many more to die, or have long-term effects from the virus, loads of businesses will be bankrupt, schools could well close again etc... etc... and all because we ranked an easy lockdown and reopening to put money in the coffers above life. And don't get me started on how they are trying to blame the people rather than their policies and unhelpful and confusing rhetoric for this mess.

Yes, it is totally ridiculous that the pubs have re-opened. Not to mention the threats of fines if parents don't send their children back to school in September. I haven't checked yet, but presumably that doesn't supersede previous arrangements and laws regarding elective home education...

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Reply #290 posted 07/06/20 2:02am

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maplenpg said:

And before this thread locks, lets go back to the very start. Specifically Lianachan's response #13:

"We do know what will happen. Thousands more will die. More avoidable deaths. There are numerous examples of a second wave of the virus in many countries who eased lockdown too soon. Plus many historical examples of course, the second wave of the Spanish Flu was exponentially worse than the first wave. Open up then see what happens is, quite literally, a murderous approach."


Every single thing I've read from the scientists says the same thing. That if we don't suppress this by the start of flu season, then we are in very real trouble. And yet nothing England is doing is striving for supression, we've still got 3000 cases per week, and that was before the pubs opened. Scotland is going for supression, Wales is, Ireland is, but not England. And I can't get my head around that. That come winter the government will allow goodness knows how many more to die, or have long-term effects from the virus, loads of businesses will be bankrupt, schools could well close again etc... etc... and all because we ranked an easy lockdown and reopening to put money in the coffers above life. And don't get me started on how they are trying to blame the people rather than their policies and unhelpful and confusing rhetoric for this mess.

Yes, it is totally ridiculous that the pubs have re-opened. Not to mention the threats of fines if parents don't send their children back to school in September. I haven't checked yet, but presumably that doesn't supersede previous arrangements and laws regarding elective home education...

I presume not Cherry, I know a number of people have said they'll take elective home education if the fines are to be enforced and they still don't think it's safe. Genuinely I don't know why they gone with this tactic of threatening to punish parents, rather than trying to convince them school bubbles of 240 kids are safe. Most only want what is best for their kids, and who knows where we will be come Sept?

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Reply #291 posted 07/06/20 9:49am

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maplenpg said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Yes, it is totally ridiculous that the pubs have re-opened. Not to mention the threats of fines if parents don't send their children back to school in September. I haven't checked yet, but presumably that doesn't supersede previous arrangements and laws regarding elective home education...

I presume not Cherry, I know a number of people have said they'll take elective home education if the fines are to be enforced and they still don't think it's safe. Genuinely I don't know why they gone with this tactic of threatening to punish parents, rather than trying to convince them school bubbles of 240 kids are safe. Most only want what is best for their kids, and who knows where we will be come Sept?

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