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Trump wanted Putin at G7 while knowing Putin had put a bounty on U.S. troops (updated)

https://www.washingtonpos...story.html


A Russian military spy unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants to attack coalition forces in Afghanistan, including U.S. and British troops, in a striking escalation of the Kremlin’s hostility toward the United States, American intelligence has found.

The Russian operation, first reported by the New York Times, has generated an intense debate within the Trump administration about how best to respond to a troubling new tactic by a nation that most U.S. officials regard as a potential foe but that President Trump has frequently embraced as a friend, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive intelligence matter.

The officials said administration leaders learned of reported bounties in recent months from U.S. intelligence agencies, prompting a series of internal discussions including a large interagency meeting that was held in late March. According to one person familiar with the matter, the responses discussed at that meeting included sending a diplomatic communication to relay disapproval and authorizing new sanctions.




Lindsey Graham has tweeted that the Senate needs to investigate this, if true. I doubt seriously that the Senate will do anything. Trump administration knew about this since March. Is this why the DNI report of the Global Threats Assessment wasn't released? I know that for a time it was speculated that it was delayed because it reported the US was not prepared for a pandemic: https://www.msnbc.com/rac...c-n1154296
but now, I'm wondering if it had to do with this.

Either way, this does not look good for Trump. I doubt, however, that anything will be done. It just makes me angry that he says he supports our troops and has done so much for our military, and yet, he has a hostile government putting a bounty on our troops' heads and he wants to give that government head a seat at the G7 summit.



Here is the NYTs article which the Washington Post confirmed: https://www.nytimes.com/2...nties.html

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.

Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.

The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said...

The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the delicate intelligence and internal deliberations. They said the intelligence had been treated as a closely held secret, but the administration expanded briefings about it this week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces are among those said to have been targeted. (They knew about this March but are just now letting the British government know.)

While officials were said to be confident about the intelligence that Russian operatives offered and paid bounties to Afghan militants for killing Americans, they have greater uncertainty about how high in the Russian government the covert operation was authorized and what its aim may be.

Some officials have theorized that the Russians may be seeking revenge on NATO forces for a 2018 battle in Syria in which the American military killed several hundred pro-Syrian forces, including numerous Russian mercenaries, as they advanced on an American outpost. Officials have also suggested that the Russians may have been trying to derail peace talks to keep the United States bogged down in Afghanistan. But the motivation remains murky.

The officials briefed on the matter said the government had assessed the operation to be the handiwork of Unit 29155, an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency, known widely as the G.R.U. The unit is linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury, England, of Sergei Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had worked for British intelligence and then defected, and his daughter.
Western intelligence officials say the unit, which has operated for more than a decade, has been charged by the Kremlin with carrying out a campaign to destabilize the West through subversion, sabotage and assassination. In addition to the 2018 poisoning, the unit was behind an attempted coup in Montenegro in 2016 and the poisoning of an arms manufacturer in Bulgaria a year earlier.

American intelligence officials say the G.R.U. was at the center of Moscow’s covert efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. In the months before that election, American officials say, two G.R.U. cyberunits, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into Democratic Party servers and then used WikiLeaks to publish embarrassing internal communications.


Much more info at the link above.

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Reply #1 posted 06/27/20 9:21am

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disbelief
it just never fucking ends with him. if it proves true, this is low grade treason. but somehow, because its trump, its not even very surprising.

and his enablers will either never even read the story, think about it, or care.

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actually, i take it back.

if it proves true, it isnt low grade treason, it IS treason.

can NOT wait to hear the right spin on this.

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I heard about the bounty Putin had on American troops, and the sad thing is that some of those bounties were actually paid, which means they killed some Americans. I don’t understand how his supporters can still support trump knowing his love for Putin. Smh.
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cborgman said:

actually, i take it back.

it isnt low grade treason, its treason.

can NOT wait to hear the right spin on this.


Some on twitter are already stating that the sources were fake and there is no evidence of it.

But you are right, this is treason.

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2elijah said:

I heard about the bounty Putin had on American troops, and the sad thing is that some of those bounties were actually paid, which means they killed some Americans. I don’t understand how his supporters can still support trump knowing his love for Putin. Smh. [Edited 6/27/20 9:46am]


Yeah, the article mentions that 20 troops were killed during that time, but they aren't sure how many of them were related to the bounty. And even after learning about this, Trump wanted to add Putin to the G7 Summit and was praising Putin, sent him ventilators, etc.

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benni said:

cborgman said:

actually, i take it back.

it isnt low grade treason, its treason.

can NOT wait to hear the right spin on this.


Some on twitter are already stating that the sources were fake and there is no evidence of it.

But you are right, this is treason.

if it is true, its

literal.
fucking.
TREASON.


this country is now in complete disaster, and there is no one to blame for it but trump and his enablers. unbelievable.

what a decade these last 4 years have been, huh?

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benni said:


Yeah, the article mentions that 20 troops were killed during that time, but they aren't sure how many of them were related to the bounty.

unacceptable to say the absolute least.

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benni said:

2elijah said:

I heard about the bounty Putin had on American troops, and the sad thing is that some of those bounties were actually paid, which means they killed some Americans. I don’t understand how his supporters can still support trump knowing his love for Putin. Smh. [Edited 6/27/20 9:46am]


Yeah, the article mentions that 20 troops were killed during that time, but they aren't sure how many of them were related to the bounty. And even after learning about this, Trump wanted to add Putin to the G7 Summit and was praising Putin, sent him ventilators, etc.



The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said...

eek OMG.... he knew? they knew? and they have done NOTHING! That *is* fucking treason!

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cborgman said:

benni said:


Some on twitter are already stating that the sources were fake and there is no evidence of it.

But you are right, this is treason.

literal.
fucking.
TREASON.


this country is now in complete disaster, and there is no one to blame for it but trump and his enablers. unbelievable.

what a decade these last 4 years have been, huh?

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They say the office ages the president, in this case the presidency has aged a nation. disbelief

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DiminutiveRocker said:

cborgman said:

literal.
fucking.
TREASON.


this country is now in complete disaster, and there is no one to blame for it but trump and his enablers. unbelievable.

what a decade these last 4 years have been, huh?

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They say the office ages the president, in this case the presidency has aged a nation. disbelief



I'm stealing that quote! PERFECT!

It's now being reported that: US fighter jets again intercept Russian military aircraft near Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone.

US F-22 fighter jets intercepted four Russian Tu-142 reconnaissance aircraft Saturday entering the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ), NORAD said in a statement.

Saturday's intercept follows similar encounters earlier this month in which US F-22 jets intercepted Russian nuclear-capable bombers near Alaska on three separate occasions. The last previous one was Wednesday when US F-22 fighter jets intercepted two Russian IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft entering the Alaskan Zone late Wednesday.NORAD also said the Russian aircraft came within 65 nautical miles south of the Alaskan Aleutian island chain and loitered in the ADIZ for nearly eight hours. It added the Russians remained in international airspace and at no time entered US or Canadian sovereign airspace.

"This year alone, NORAD forces have identified and intercepted Russian military aircraft including bombers, fighters, and maritime patrol aircraft on ten separate occasions when they have flown into the ADIZ," said NORAD commander Gen. Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy.

"Despite COVID-19, we remain fully ready and capable of conducting our no-fail mission of homeland defense," he said.


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UGHHHH... i cant even.

this country is so fucked till jan.

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cborgman said:

UGHHHH... i cant even.

this country is so fucked till jan.

I used to think we were fucked during the Bush years, 911, Iraq, Cheney... why does this feel so much worse?

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DiminutiveRocker said:

cborgman said:

UGHHHH... i cant even.

this country is so fucked till jan.

I used to think we were fucked during the Bush years, 911, Iraq, Cheney... why does this feel so much worse?

because the right wing is even less critical and more complicit this time.


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you think this is what joe scarsbrough was talking about?

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cborgman said:

you think this is what joe scarsbrough was talking about?

hmmm could be.

Steve Schmidt always has the right words:

Putin put contracts on American soldiers. He paid bounties for dead American soldiers and Trump did nothing. This is a low moment unequaled in all of our history. This President won’t defend America. He is a grotesque and vile man. He is the weakest and worst President ever
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Putin put contracts on American soldiers. He paid bounties for dead American soldiers and Trump did nothing. This is a low moment unequaled in all of our history. This President won’t defend America. He is a grotesque and vile man. He is the weakest and worst President ever

yup.

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Reply #17 posted 06/27/20 11:19am

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benni said:



cborgman said:


actually, i take it back.

it isnt low grade treason, its treason.



can NOT wait to hear the right spin on this.




Some on twitter are already stating that the sources were fake and there is no evidence of it.

But you are right, this is treason.


It would have to be proven first and that's going to be difficult, because the whole point of secret services is, well, keeping it secret. In your post, I reed words like believed, uncertainty... But you summed it up perfectly: it doesn't look good for Trump, but it's doubtful that anything will be done.
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SantanaMaitreya said:

benni said:


Some on twitter are already stating that the sources were fake and there is no evidence of it.

But you are right, this is treason.

It would have to be proven first and that's going to be difficult, because the whole point of secret services is, well, keeping it secret. In your post, I reed words like believed, uncertainty... But you summed it up perfectly: it doesn't look good for Trump, but it's doubtful that anything will be done.

i actually dont think it will be hard to prove at all. the article offers substantial proof.

the only thing left to do is verify the dead soldiers were killed by bounty hunters. the rest is already fairly solid evidence. him sending respirators was well publicized at the time, and the evidence of the russian govt's involvement is solid. it might not directly go all the way up to putin himself, but it doesnt need to.

if trump knew (and there seems a lot of evidence he did) that (up to) 20 american soldiers were killed by taliban that russia hired... and then not only hid it from the american public but also sent aid and attempted to aid russia get in the G7, then...

trump has almost certainly committed treason.

like... for real for REAL treason.

the only thing not yet verifiable is that the taliban indeed killed american soldiers. the rest is solid evidence.

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an org rule compliant selection of paragraphs most important from the NY times article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html


Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.


Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.


The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.

An operation to incentivize the killing of American and other NATO troops would be a significant and provocative escalation of what American and Afghan officials have said is Russian support for the Taliban, and it would be the first time the Russian spy unit was known to have orchestrated attacks on Western troops.


Any involvement with the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of American troops would also be a huge escalation of Russia’s so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.

[...]

At a summit in 2018 in Helsinki, Finland, Mr. Trump strongly sugges...s denial that the Kremlin interfered in the 2016 presidential election, despite broad agreement within the American intelligence establishment that it did. Mr. Trump criticized a bill imposin... on Russia when he signed it into law after Congress passed it by veto-proof majorities. And he has repeatedly made statements that unde...O alliance as a bulwark against Russian aggression in Europe.

[...]

The officials briefed on the matter said the government had assessed the operation to be the handiwork of Unit 29155, an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency, known widely as the G.R.U. The unit is linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury, England, of Sergei Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had worked for British intelligence and then defected, and his daughter.


Western intelligence officials say the unit, which has operated for more than a decade, has been charged by the Kremlin with carrying out a campaign to destabilize the West through subversion, sabotage and assassination. In addition to the 2018 poisoning, the unit was behind an attempted coup in Montenegro in 2016 and the poisoning of an arms manufacturer in Bulgaria a year earlier.


American intelligence officials say the G.R.U. was at the center of Moscow’s covert efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. In the months before that election, American officials say, two G.R.U. cyberunits, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into Democratic Party servers and then used WikiLeaks to publish embarrassing internal communications.

In part because those efforts were aimed at helping tilt the election in Mr. Trump’s favor, his handling of issues related to Russia and Mr. Putin has come under particular scrutiny. The special counsel investigation found that the Trump campaign welcomed Russia’s intervention and expected to benefit from it, but found insufficient evidence to establish that his associates had engaged in any criminal conspiracy with Moscow.

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proof it was the taliban who killed the US soldiers is the only part of the story not yet proven solidly.

if it is proven, then trump is absolutely guilty of literal treason against america.


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wH cancelled apearances... say it is due to virus spike, but they must be in full force damage control over this Russian thing

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wH cancelled apearances... say it is due to virus spike, but they must be in full force damage control over this Russian thing

oh, its absolutely why. every minute they wait makes it look worse.

worst presidency in history.

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Thank you for this thread. There is zero about it in the British press. I suspect Trump will brush it off as 'fake news' just as he does everything else. I've lost count of how many things should have had him kicked out by now. Mr Johnson also definitely has something hidden re Russia: he's gone to great lengths to stop the Russia report being published here in the UK. Wouldn't surprise me if he knew too.

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maplenpg said:

Thank you for this thread. There is zero about it in the British press. I suspect Trump will brush it off as 'fake news' just as he does everything else. I've lost count of how many things should have had him kicked out by now. Mr Johnson also definitely has something hidden re Russia: he's gone to great lengths to stop the Russia report being published here in the UK. Wouldn't surprise me if he knew too.

the brits are only finding out now or very recently. trump waited 3 months to share this with them, and they have troops there.

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joe scaraborough's twitter (with org lack of emoji)

Trump checklist:
Protect Confederate Statues :checkmark:
Protect American Troops :redX:

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SantanaMaitreya said:

benni said:


Some on twitter are already stating that the sources were fake and there is no evidence of it.

But you are right, this is treason.

It would have to be proven first and that's going to be difficult, because the whole point of secret services is, well, keeping it secret. In your post, I reed words like believed, uncertainty... But you summed it up perfectly: it doesn't look good for Trump, but it's doubtful that anything will be done.


I don't know how difficult it would be. It would depend on how much the agencies are willing to cover up for Trump, but I don't know that they would be willing to cover this up. That would take our intelligence agencies being willing to be complicit by withholding any evidence about this, and I can't see that happening. Our intelligence agencies may be a lot of things, they have done questionable things in the past, but I think treason of this scope (if true) would be beyond them. They would never be trusted ever again, not in America and not by any of their CIs, or by any other country. (Except maybe enemy nations of America and the UK.) This would be too big to protect Trump over.

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benni said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

benni said: It would have to be proven first and that's going to be difficult, because the whole point of secret services is, well, keeping it secret. In your post, I reed words like believed, uncertainty... But you summed it up perfectly: it doesn't look good for Trump, but it's doubtful that anything will be done.


I don't know how difficult it would be. It would depend on how much the agencies are willing to cover up for Trump, but I don't know that they would be willing to cover this up. That would take our intelligence agencies being willing to be complicit by withholding any evidence about this, and I can't see that happening. Our intelligence agencies may be a lot of things, they have done questionable things in the past, but I think treason of this scope (if true) would be beyond them. They would never be trusted ever again, not in America and not by any of their CIs, or by any other country. (Except maybe enemy nations of America and the UK.) This would be too big to protect Trump over.

absolutely.

theres no way they would cover it up for him, especially with some much of the info now already out there. the only thing not proven is that the taliban actually killed us troops. but theres alreasy proof theyve been paid.

theres not much left to cover up, and theyre not gonna do it for trump.

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Move on, nothings going to happen, sweep it under the rug, same ole, same ole.


Nothing ever happens to the asshole, EVER.


If this SOB wins again, I don't know what is going to happen to AMERICA.

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PennyPurple said:

Move on, nothings going to happen, sweep it under the rug, same ole, same ole.


Nothing ever happens to the asshole, EVER.


If this SOB wins again, I don't know what is going to happen to AMERICA.

if this proves true, theres not a shot in hell he'll even run

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maplenpg said:

Thank you for this thread. There is zero about it in the British press. I suspect Trump will brush it off as 'fake news' just as he does everything else. I've lost count of how many things should have had him kicked out by now. Mr Johnson also definitely has something hidden re Russia: he's gone to great lengths to stop the Russia report being published here in the UK. Wouldn't surprise me if he knew too.


The United States is just now releasing this information to your government. They've sat on this since March. And I'm sure Britain is NOT going to be happy with the United States. This put their troops in danger and they deserved to know so that they could protect their own troops.

And I agree. There were so many things, that under normal times, would have gotten a president impeached and removed in the United States. If Trump had been a Democrat or if we'd had a Democrat controlled Senate, he would have been.

My response to Lindsey Graham, earlier, when he tweeted that this should be investigated: You had a chance in February, Lindsey. Instead, you blamed the Democrats for even dare to look into Trump, Trump campaign, and all the ties to Russia. What has that brought us to? A White House that refuses to even acknowledge increasing #'s of Covid-19 cases while ignoring Russian threats against our soldiers, and even wanting to add Putin to the G7 summit, praising Putin, and ignoring the threat Russia plays against our elections. But sure, you do you. Act outraged now. We tried to warn you and Congress, but you ignored everything because Trump could do no wrong. Yeah, how is that working out for you and for the rest of America?


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