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Thread started 06/25/20 8:38am

steakfinger

OUT NOW: "Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 1)"

Bass guitar and kick drum sound amazing. Snare drum is awesome. Stoked to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/w...XHfvaJIB0c

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Reply #1 posted 06/25/20 8:40am

IstenSzek

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so good music

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #2 posted 06/25/20 8:45am

Romeoblu

Great song. Sounding amazing.
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Reply #3 posted 06/25/20 9:04am

bluegangsta

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In what fucking universe is the considered as "Version 1"?

I guess it at least it appears to be the original mix (being Wendy & Lisa's version).

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #4 posted 06/25/20 9:06am

CharismaDove

anyone else think his voice sounds "weird" on this?
Maybe its my headphones, have to try again in the car
Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #5 posted 06/25/20 9:08am

mbdtyler

bluegangsta said:

In what fucking universe is the considered as "Version 1"?

I guess it at least it appears to be the original mix (being Wendy & Lisa's version).

I guess they're disregarding the various mixes with/without overdubs, and labeling this as Version 1 since it's distinctively different from Prince's later re-recording?

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Reply #6 posted 06/25/20 9:12am

mbdtyler

CharismaDove said:

anyone else think his voice sounds "weird" on this? Maybe its my headphones, have to try again in the car

This doesn't seem like a particularly well-recorded song, must be one of the songs that Prince rushed through without regards to fidelity. The vocals seem to have some slapback delay which doesn't help (didn't he also do this on "Dream Factory"?)

I was hoping the officially released version would sound significantly cleaner than the bootleg, but it is what it is smile

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Reply #7 posted 06/25/20 9:23am

jaawwnn

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A definite improvement to my ears, I like it. I always fear they'll release something half-done like they did with Dance Electric so I ain't complaining!

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Reply #8 posted 06/25/20 9:23am

glamlife2

So cool that this will be an official physical single released before the Deluxe set... as part of the 7" vinyl box.

That comes out August 14th, so about a month and a half before - like a real album campaign back in the day!

Now we just need a limited picture disc single lol!

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Reply #9 posted 06/25/20 9:25am

SchlomoThaHomo

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It sounds a little slower and I love it! Almost makes the groove sound even nastier. The way he locks in the bass and drums is just sick.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #10 posted 06/25/20 9:38am

LoveGalore

bluegangsta said:

In what fucking universe is the considered as "Version 1"?

I guess it at least it appears to be the original mix (being Wendy & Lisa's version).



Just because you heard a clearly unfinished version of this song doesn't mean it isn't version 1. It's been common knowledge that this was the DF version to be released for eons.
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Reply #11 posted 06/25/20 9:41am

mushmackalenta

This is a Frankenstein mix.
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Reply #12 posted 06/25/20 9:43am

Poplife88

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Ok, this is so awesome I can't stand it. LOVE that it will be an actual single! cool

We're gonna need a bigger boat
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Reply #13 posted 06/25/20 10:08am

dbpdexter

bluegangsta said:

In what fucking universe is the considered as "Version 1"?

I guess it at least it appears to be the original mix (being Wendy & Lisa's version).



You’re thinking with bootleg logic.The version without horns and only his vocals is not finished just like old friends 4 sell #1 is not the finished version. Like Prince said, that’s the problem with boots.
AKA PDEXTER
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Reply #14 posted 06/25/20 10:18am

CharismaDove

mbdtyler said:



CharismaDove said:


anyone else think his voice sounds "weird" on this? Maybe its my headphones, have to try again in the car

This doesn't seem like a particularly well-recorded song, must be one of the songs that Prince rushed through without regards to fidelity. The vocals seem to have some slapback delay which doesn't help (didn't he also do this on "Dream Factory"?)

I was hoping the officially released version would sound significantly cleaner than the bootleg, but it is what it is smile



Thx for the reply, makes sense. It sounds unusual, but a little less with each play. The song, musically, is amazing. I also expected cleaner versions of bootlegs, but hey, aint complainin if we get Wally, Cosmic Day & IALRWNL!
Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #15 posted 06/25/20 10:21am

mbdtyler

CharismaDove said:

mbdtyler said:

This doesn't seem like a particularly well-recorded song, must be one of the songs that Prince rushed through without regards to fidelity. The vocals seem to have some slapback delay which doesn't help (didn't he also do this on "Dream Factory"?)

I was hoping the officially released version would sound significantly cleaner than the bootleg, but it is what it is smile

Thx for the reply, makes sense. It sounds unusual, but a little less with each play. The song, musically, is amazing. I also expected cleaner versions of bootlegs, but hey, aint complainin if we get Wally, Cosmic Day & IALRWNL!

As long as "Large Room" is in good quality, I'll be happy! It would be heartbreaking if they put some low-quality cassette rip on this set because they couldn't find mulitracks or a better mixdown lol

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Reply #16 posted 06/25/20 10:25am

CharismaDove

mbdtyler said:



CharismaDove said:


mbdtyler said:


This doesn't seem like a particularly well-recorded song, must be one of the songs that Prince rushed through without regards to fidelity. The vocals seem to have some slapback delay which doesn't help (didn't he also do this on "Dream Factory"?)

I was hoping the officially released version would sound significantly cleaner than the bootleg, but it is what it is smile



Thx for the reply, makes sense. It sounds unusual, but a little less with each play. The song, musically, is amazing. I also expected cleaner versions of bootlegs, but hey, aint complainin if we get Wally, Cosmic Day & IALRWNL!

As long as "Large Room" is in good quality, I'll be happy! It would be heartbreaking if they put some low-quality cassette rip on this set because they couldn't find mulitracks or a better mixdown lol



Facts, that song's always been muddy (the version I have which I think's the main circulating one). Really hope they do it justice.
Im also really hoping there's a longer version of Cosmic Day

Edit: one outtake that sounds perfect in its muddy quality, imo, is "101". The murkiness just adds to the haunting creepiness of that track
[Edited 6/25/20 10:26am]
Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #17 posted 06/25/20 10:27am

TwiliteKid

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mbdtyler said:



CharismaDove said:


mbdtyler said:


This doesn't seem like a particularly well-recorded song, must be one of the songs that Prince rushed through without regards to fidelity. The vocals seem to have some slapback delay which doesn't help (didn't he also do this on "Dream Factory"?)

I was hoping the officially released version would sound significantly cleaner than the bootleg, but it is what it is smile



Thx for the reply, makes sense. It sounds unusual, but a little less with each play. The song, musically, is amazing. I also expected cleaner versions of bootlegs, but hey, aint complainin if we get Wally, Cosmic Day & IALRWNL!

As long as "Large Room" is in good quality, I'll be happy! It would be heartbreaking if they put some low-quality cassette rip on this set because they couldn't find mulitracks or a better mixdown lol



Hush!
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Reply #18 posted 06/25/20 10:37am

LoveGalore

mushmackalenta said:

This is a Frankenstein mix.


No, it isn't.
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Reply #19 posted 06/25/20 11:09am

AvocadosMax

1) How are we to know which is the true ‘version 1’based off bootlegs? 99% of the boots are unfinished, duh. I bet they tried all kinds of mixes, doesn’t mean that they have hundreds of different versions for every mix they laid down. The only people who know for sure are Susan Rogers and whoever is behind this particular mix.

2) his vocal sounds weird but to be fair at this time he was playing with his vocals, intentionally making them sound weird or whatever. We all know that, so don’t get mad at whoever mixed this. They did a great job


It sounds great. Can’t wait for the rest
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Reply #20 posted 06/25/20 11:12am

SquirrelMeat

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I was hoping the muddy sound was a boot transfer issue, but it's here, so I'm not expecting a huge sonic difference on some of the other tracks.

Unfortunately, it seems the final mix down that is used as reference isn't sonically the best. A great example is How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore. From a sound point of view, take 1 blows the remastered released version out of the water. But to be 'faithful' to the original release, they didn't try or did not have the source to clean it up.

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Reply #21 posted 06/25/20 11:25am

AvocadosMax

Guys gotta calm down. The mix will never be perfect. Sometimes he recorded tracks on broken consoles. Audio quality will always be a bit inconsistent, especially in certain periods of time. Just need to accept this.
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Reply #22 posted 06/25/20 11:33am

AvocadosMax

Just played “Last Heart” from the 1998 Crystal Ball set back to back with Witness, and the audio levels are lower (better) on Witness. Which is good, but when I’m making my make-shift Dream Factory playlist (a boy can dream) I’ll just lower the levels until they’ll remaster those tracks (hopefully... perhaps they will release Dream Factory, Crystal Ball, etc... if I were them I’d double-dip, triple-dip too lol)
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Reply #23 posted 06/25/20 11:41am

ForceofNature

CharismaDove said:

anyone else think his voice sounds "weird" on this?
Maybe its my headphones, have to try again in the car

It is the effect Prince put on his vocals on this track. He doubled them (digitally duplicated the track), and slightly offset one of them. Then hard panned the vocals to the left and right channels so you hear the vocals from the edges rather than the phantom center of the stereo image
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Reply #24 posted 06/25/20 12:48pm

radicalrojo

I get why he never would have even considered releasing this at the time, as he was leaving the revolution and those off-kilter wendy and lisa backing vocals behind, but damn this would have been a fire b-side.

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Reply #25 posted 06/25/20 12:54pm

Chappers72

Honestly sounds awesome...
Feels like the 80s with a single release, love it. Imagine if they did a weekly vault track release....
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Reply #26 posted 06/25/20 12:56pm

Chappers72

also I hear the digital super deluxe is a lot more reasonable on my wallet...
For the best...i don't own a dvd player anymore and the only cd player is in my 2004 vauxhall corsa...
I got the 1999 box but scared to touch it really
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Reply #27 posted 06/25/20 1:01pm

TheFman

Brilliant, but i still prefer the real Verion 1.

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Reply #28 posted 06/25/20 1:03pm

Phishanga

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Personally, I like the whole sound of it. Raw and dirty as bluesy rock tracks should be.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #29 posted 06/25/20 1:08pm

rusty1

dbpdexter said:

bluegangsta said:

In what fucking universe is the considered as "Version 1"?

I guess it at least it appears to be the original mix (being Wendy & Lisa's version).



You’re thinking with bootleg logic.The version without horns and only his vocals is not finished just like old friends 4 sell #1 is not the finished version. Like Prince said, that’s the problem with boots.


Old friends 4 sale 1st version is one of his best vault songs ever
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