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pld71

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Susan Rogers interview

https://www.abc.net.au/ra...5/12421040

She talks about how Princes masters would have possibly burned in Universal fire if they had not "borrowed" them even though they weren't supposed to.
[Edited 7/4/20 6:41am]
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Reply #1 posted 07/04/20 8:39am

udo

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Dankuwel!

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Reply #2 posted 07/04/20 10:04am

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pld71 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/ra...5/12421040 She talks about how Princes masters would have possibly burned in Universal fire if they had not "borrowed" them even though they weren't supposed to. [Edited 7/4/20 6:41am]

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Absolutely great interview – but I admit I'm biased as she's one of my favourite people ever to listen to, she's so intelligent and such a beautiful soul. She also has a deep understanding and knowledge about how music works, how our hearing works and how our brain processes sound. I can't wait to read her book, I bet it'll be at least as fascinating as D. Levitin's 'This Is Your Brain On Music' was.

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Regarding the Universal fire though: it's unlikely that any of Prince's original tapes would've ended up there.
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Reply #3 posted 07/05/20 6:18am

RJOrion

i just cant... i know she's knowledgable and forthcoming and intelligent... but Susan Roger's voice and delivery is like that of a suburban kindergarten teacher..i try to listen to her vivid detailed stories and i inevitably drift off into naptime within 10 minutes... i would love to hear her sing though...i imagine her sounding like Joni Mitchell
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Reply #4 posted 07/05/20 2:39pm

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RJOrion said:

i just cant... i know she's knowledgable and forthcoming and intelligent... but Susan Roger's voice and delivery is like that of a suburban kindergarten teacher..i try to listen to her vivid detailed stories and i inevitably drift off into naptime within 10 minutes... i would love to hear her sing though...i imagine her sounding like Joni Mitchell


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Reply #5 posted 07/05/20 11:04pm

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She's not saying that Prince's masters would have ended up there.

She's saying that it was always common practice that master tapes were given to the record labels, because they would guarantee safe storage.

And that the Universal fire is an example, that it might be a good idea to care for safety yourself sometimes.

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Reply #6 posted 07/06/20 12:23am

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pld71 said:

https://www.abc.net.au/ra...5/12421040 She talks about how Princes masters would have possibly burned in Universal fire if they had not "borrowed" them even though they weren't supposed to. [Edited 7/4/20 6:41am]

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No that is not what she said. LISTEN to what she said instead of making shit up.

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Reply #7 posted 07/06/20 3:30am

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Terrific interview. Rogers is always interesting to listen to and always comes up with a new anecdote I haven't heard before.

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Reply #8 posted 07/06/20 8:35am

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So what she said as well is;

that while trying to get the vault completed, she asked Warners (as well as other studios where Prince recorded) to send some tapes ànd masters back, with the promise to return them,

which apparently didn't happened as far as she said/knows ...

And that without the knowledge of prince (at the time)... wow. smile

Clever but dangerous move she did there, no ? biggrin

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Of course I'm aware that the masters belonged to Warners anyhow - contractual obligatory.

She cool ! wink

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Reply #9 posted 07/06/20 4:09pm

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This is a great interview. I feel like Susan Rogers always knew him so well. I guess it's one thing to be in his band and knowing how that process works but to be so close to him all the time in the studio must be a great story. For that reason you guys should just listen to this and ignore this new outrage.

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Reply #10 posted 07/07/20 3:21am

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BlueShakooo said:

And that the Universal fire is an example, that it might be a good idea to care for safety yourself sometimes.

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And she is right about that to some degree (see also the reports about record labels clearing out their archives, there wa s a NYT story about this in the 1990s and it mentions a recording session of James Brown with Sly & Robbie among others as tapes that were thrown on the trash heap). (And there have been stories about local branches of major labels getting shut down and their tapes disappearing to god knows where. Same for smaller record labels being bought by bigger ones. There are Belgian bands who have no clue where the master tapes to their records are, for instance.)

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However, storing such tapes requires quite the investment (i.e. ideally a climate controlled room) and that is not the kind of investment many artists will do. Prince did, sure -- but then the vault started overflowing, and tapes were taken out and not returned properly, and finally its climate control system failed and water started leaking inside the vault.

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Reply #11 posted 07/07/20 4:38am

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BartVanHemelen said:

BlueShakooo said:

And that the Universal fire is an example, that it might be a good idea to care for safety yourself sometimes.

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And she is right about that to some degree (see also the reports about record labels clearing out their archives, there wa s a NYT story about this in the 1990s and it mentions a recording session of James Brown with Sly & Robbie among others as tapes that were thrown on the trash heap). (And there have been stories about local branches of major labels getting shut down and their tapes disappearing to god knows where. Same for smaller record labels being bought by bigger ones. There are Belgian bands who have no clue where the master tapes to their records are, for instance.)

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However, storing such tapes requires quite the investment (i.e. ideally a climate controlled room) and that is not the kind of investment many artists will do. Prince did, sure -- but then the vault started overflowing, and tapes were taken out and not returned properly, and finally its climate control system failed and water started leaking inside the vault.

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All true. I could list a hundred examples of radio archives and record labels throwing out original recordings – sometimes simply sawing magnetic tape off of the metal hubs just so they can sell the scrap metal – from the smallest studios to the major labels. Columbia had an archives manager in the 70s who systematically discarded original recordings based on the size they occupied on the expenshive shelving (throwing out 14" lacquers and discs by Louis Armstrong and the like). Atlantic decided at some point that one of their warehouses was too expensive to maintain so they simply demolished it using explosives – with thousands of original master tapes inside. (This was right before the CD-boom, when labels still considered their back catalog to be dead weight.) The list of horror stories is endless.
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And yes, only very-very few artists even have the interest in systematically collecting their own recordings throughout their entire carreer. In most cases by the time they'll get old enough to realize the importance, they're way past their heydays and a ton of stuff is already lost (either by them or their past labels).
Frankly, we all owe Susan Rogers a great deal for having the wisdom of starting the vault that early and effectively teaching Prince about its importance. Surely Prince would've made a similar decision on his own later, but then again, perhaps it would've turned out to be too late to collect everything, and Prince himself might have lacked the patience and diplomacy needed to be successful in collecting all those reels.
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Reply #12 posted 07/07/20 5:57am

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Kares said:

Frankly, we all owe Susan Rogers a great deal for having the wisdom of starting the vault that early and effectively teaching Prince about its importance. Surely Prince would've made a similar decision on his own later, but then again, perhaps it would've turned out to be too late to collect everything, and Prince himself might have lacked the patience and diplomacy needed to be successful in collecting all those reels.

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Reply #13 posted 07/08/20 3:31pm

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udo said:

Kares said:

Frankly, we all owe Susan Rogers a great deal for having the wisdom of starting the vault that early and effectively teaching Prince about its importance. Surely Prince would've made a similar decision on his own later, but then again, perhaps it would've turned out to be too late to collect everything, and Prince himself might have lacked the patience and diplomacy needed to be successful in collecting all those reels.

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yeahthat

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Execatly.

And Prince was just too busy with;

drugs

new projects

new bandmembers

new protégées

anything but his own legacy,

and,

he kept on playing his old songs live...

so wtf.

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